Showing posts with label the sinful flesh. Show all posts
Showing posts with label the sinful flesh. Show all posts

Wednesday, May 4, 2011

The Flesh

Most people are looking forward to getting their new incorruptible body when they pass on. They think, if only I could be rid of this fleshly body and have my heavenly perfect body now, and then I wouldn’t keep doing the things I know are wrong. This is the thinking behind the understanding that no can be perfect until we die. It’s because of this evil fleshly body. That’s the real problem. Is it really?

Let us take a look at the physical fleshly body and try to see if it is really evil or not.

As adults, unless some chemicals in our body are out of normalcy, we have all experienced the sexual desires. So, we should ask ourselves, is the sexual drive good or evil? God created a sexual drive in us. What if we didn’t have the sexual drive, what would be different? Even the animals have the sexual drive programmed into them by their creator. Are the animals evil or good because of this? If something can be used for either good or bad, does that make it evil?

All flesh, people and animals have the need to eat to survive. It is a requirement to eat, so is the flesh good or evil because of this? If some people eat to much, does that make the need to eat evil? If someone doesn’t eat enough, does that make the flesh evil?

Everyone needs to learn to protect their flesh from harm; otherwise a person wouldn’t last long on this earth. Why do we teach our kids to stay away from fire if we think the flesh is evil? God has put certain senses into the body to warn us from harming our bodies. If our flesh was evil, why would God build in protection systems into it? If someone intentionally wants to hurt their flesh, do we consider this self infliction action evil or good?

We can see God’s creation with our fleshly eye’s, is that somehow evil, or does God want us to share in His creation?

We can hear with our ears. Are the sounds we hear with our ears automatically evil somehow? Are the birds singing, the sounds of the waves, or a mother’s disciplining words to her child’s ears evil somehow?

With a fleshly physical body, we can do physical work and earn money to buy the food we need. Does the body make us love money or does it just help us provide for our needs? We can physically hurt other people with our flesh, but we can also help others in many ways. So is the flesh good or evil?

Does the physical flesh make us lie or is it some other force?

Does the physical flesh make us covet something that is not ours, or is it from some other force?

Is it the physical flesh that rejects God’s laws and love, or is it the love of self that rejects the goodness of God?

Is it the physical flesh that wants to be god instead of accepting the one and true God, or does the physical flesh listen to another god?

Why does God’s word say about Christians: “Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?” (1 Cor 3:16 NIV) How can the physical flesh be considered God’s temple in a Christian if the flesh is evil?

God’s Word can help us sort this out. Even though the physical flesh has to eventually die, because of the fall of man, the physical fleshly body is only a temporary housing for the spirit within. The spirit that is contained within the flesh is what controls the fleshly body. The spirit within is what makes the fleshly body do it’s good or evil works. The good or evil desires are from the spirit and not from the physical flesh. The physical flesh of a person and the spirit of a person are separate from each other, but it is the spirit that controls the flesh.

I have found some faulty interpreted areas in the words of the NIV bible, but in this area of describing the “flesh”, it has the correct translation. The King James Version of the bible uses the word “flesh”, but the NIV uses “Sinful Nature” in the place of the word “flesh”. The KJV is not wrong, but must be understood correctly. See the differences below between the two versions.

NIV - Gal 5:16-21 - So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

KJV - Gal 5:16-21 - This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


The “sinful nature” is the spirit of the flesh. It is the dead spirit that is born along with the physical fleshly body. It is called a dead spirit, because it is separated from God because of the fall. Everything apart from God is considered dead. Even though the spirit of the flesh and the physical flesh were created at the same time, they are distinctly different. One is spiritual and one is physical, even though they were talked about as if they were one identity. Under the new covenant with Christ, the dead spirit in us can be replaced with God’s living Spirit, but the body is physical and is not replaced and eventually turns back to the dust from which it came.

There are only two kinds of spiritual natures, the sinful nature and God’s pure love nature. It is between these two spirits or natures that all spiritual wars are fought. The nature that wins in you will be the one you feed.

The nature/spirit of our soul when we physically die is the spirit that goes on into eternity. What eternity realm it enters, depends on which nature we have.

Draw close to God and His righteousness and His nature will be added onto you.

Michael W Reid

Thursday, April 10, 2008

Romans 7 – So misunderstood

I was not planning on writing a message on the interpretation of Romans 7 until I realized that the misunderstanding of this passage was deceiving many away from God's truth. This scripture is so misunderstood by most churches.

There is an epidemic of misunderstanding of what a true Christian is and everybody with this misunderstanding seems to keep pointing to Romans 7 for their justification for this misunderstanding.

The misunderstanding originates from Romans 7:14-20.

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do — this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

Most have misunderstood this verse because Apostle Paul seems to be writing this about himself. Since Paul is a born again Christian at the time he wrote this, people assume this is what a Christian is like.

If people fully understand the rest of the New Testament, they would quickly see these verses could not even be remotely considered to be representing what a true Christian is. To say a born again Christian is still controlled by his sinful nature is an oxy-moron. The phrases “born again Christian” and “controlled by sinful nature” cannot exist in the same person. Either you are still controlled in part or in full by your sinful nature or you are a born again Christian where the sinful nature has no control over you.

To start understanding this scripture we must understand whether this person Paul is talking about is born again or not. One of the key verses that indicates this is not a Christian is in Romans 7:14.

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin..

When we are a Christian we are filled with God’s Spirit which has transformed our heart into a heart of love. Romans 7:14-20 is indicating a person’s life without the Holy Spirit in it. Without the Spirit in us, we have no hope of conquering sin on our own and we are still a slave to sin.

Apostle Paul is actually talking theoretically about any person, including himself, and how we are powerless with just our own human capabilities to get rid of sin. We learned throughout the Old Testament that we cannot obey God’s commandments on our own without the Holy Spirit’s power in us. This is what Paul is stressing in his letter. He is helping them understand what all of Israel already new before Christ came to die on the cross for us. The Jews knew the law was good but they were not capable of fulfilling the law.

Ever since the time when Adam ate the fruit of the forbidden tree, we have had the knowledge of good and evil in us. Remember it was the knowledge of good and evil, not just evil. The big problem ever since the original sin is not that we can’t know what is good, it is that we could not do any of the good we had knowledge of without the power of God in us. This is what Paul is talking about in Romans 7:15-16.

I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.

Paul goes on to say that it is the sin, or evil, living in this person doing the sin since this person is still under the law. It is evident that this person does not have the Holy Spirit living in him. Paul concludes in Romans 7:17-18 that the only thing living in this person is the sinful nature.
As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.

Now to keep this passage in context, let’s go back to the passages before Romans 7:14-20 to Romans 7:1.

Do you not know, brothers — for I am speaking to men who know the law — that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives?

We see here that Paul is addressing people that know the Jewish law and emphasize that all men are under the control of the law until they die. Another words, we have to die to be free from the law. To illustrate his point Paul uses marriage as an example in Romans 7:2-3.

For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.

So what Paul is emphasizing here is that we have to die to the law before we can be bound to another, which is Jesus Christ. We die to the law by believing in the perfect body of Jesus Christ dieing on the cross for us. In Romans 7:4-6 Paul explains this for us.

So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

If we believe Jesus Christ died for us, then we believe through the cross we also died and are no longer bound to the law and are now under God’s grace and no longer under the control of the sinful nature. We are given a new heart from God which does not have any selfishness or sin in it, but only love for God and love for all of God’s creation. True love cannot contain any selfishness or sin of any kind. Because this new heart that is from God has only love, it cannot willfully sin. Through this new heart we now have control of the body instead of the sinful nature in the body controlling us. Only God can do this and everything is possible with God.

Matthew 19:26 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Today Romans 7 is falsely preached from many pulpits with the idea that Christians can’t keep from sinning. This has been another deception from the devil that a lot of people have believed because it supports people believing they are born again when they truly haven’t had a total heart transformation yet. Don’t let yourself be fooled by this lie of the devil. The truth is, when your born again you can, through God’s Spirit’s power in you, conquer all the sins that His word or His Spirit convicts you of.

Remember God’s grace is His Spirit working in and through you – Michael Reid

Our goal is to be Christ like

The Bible says we need to become Christ like.

Rom 8:29 NIV - For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son.

How can we become Christ like in every thing we do if we are all sinners. I will try to show you by God’s Word how this is possible through God’s grace filling up and working in your life. With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

We can never be Christ because there is only one Christ. We will never be God, with all the infinite knowledge, wisdom, majestic power that God possesses, but from His Spirit we receive everything we need to live a perfected righteous life before God. We don’t need to be Christ to live a perfect Christian life. God sends just the right amount of grace we need to live the life God expects us to live. (This part of grace is the Holy Spirit working in and through us)

When someone has come to the point of being Christ like, it’s because God has filled that person with an extra filling of the His Spirit. It is this extra filling of the Sprit that enables them to ward off any temptation of sinning. This enables the Christian to live a sinless life before God and his fellow man as long as that person stays living by the Sprit. This perfection of our heart has been called “Entire Sanctification”, “Christian Perfection”, and “Victorious Living” depending on the denominational belief.

But, how can we still call ourselves sinners and live a life without sin? It’s because we realize we still live in this fleshly body which will continue to tempt us with selfish and prideful thoughts, but with the Holy Spirit’s empowerment in us we can stop any temptation before it manifests into a sin. You can think of this empowerment as the armor of God.

Eph 6:11 NIV - Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.

Living our life without sinning is not of man’s nature but only of God’s nature in us. Think about this hypothetical example: lets take a man living a sinless life by the power of the Spirit and then if God would decide to take His Spirit away from this righteous man, temptation would easily overtake him and that man would be totally lost and a slave to sin as much as any unbeliever. This is why we have to live by the Spirit and only by the Spirit.

Rom 8:6 NIV - The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace.

Our fleshly physical body will always be corrupted with the nature of sin and this corrupted body must end in physical death, but the body is only a temporary housing for our spiritual soul. If our spirit and soul has been totally cleansed and sanctified by God’s Spirit, we will have the power to take control over the body even though the body is spiritually dead in Christ.

Rom 8:10 NIV - But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.

What enables a person to live a life without sin is a full filling of His Spirit and living continually by the Spirit to persevere to the end. To be truly born again and receive this extra filling of the Holy Spirit, a person must become a true Christian by dedicating all of themselves to God. This extra filling of the Spirit is not the Spirit that comes upon an individual when they first believe (justification); where God’s seed is planted and with the Spirit’s help it grows to a mature plant. This extra filling of the Spirit happens after a person has let God’s Spirit sanctify them into a mature holy plant ready to produce Godly fruit. (I will talk more about this in another message, which is “Becoming a true Christian is a process”.) The Bible says that a person that is still struggling with sin has not yet come to the point of being a total living sacrifice for God. Where that person is not yet willing to spill his/her blood for His Glory.

Heb 12:4-5 NIV - In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

1 Peter 4:1-2 NIV - Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin.

Most people have been taught and believe that living a life without sinning is not a possibility in this life. I want to crush that deception and have people’s faith become full so everyone will not be hindered anymore by this lie of the devil. If anyone continues to believe this lie, they might not ever mature to the point of true and total faith in God. Faith in God’s truth is what unlocks the Spirit’s power. When a person does not have enough faith to believe in this “Entire Sanctification” concept, they are really saying they don’t believe in God’s Word or the power of God. The Bible says when a person is truly born again, that person will not sin.

1 John 5:4 NIV - For everyone born of God overcomes the world.

1 John 5:18 NKJV - We know that whoever is born of God does not sin.

1 John 3:9 NKJV - Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

When we are truly born again believers, we will not sin because we no longer will have the desire to sin. The Holy Spirit changes our desires of our heart so our desires are no longer selfish and of worldly intensions, but only desires to love God and others exist in our heart. Selfishness is gone. When the only thing that exists in our heart is God’s love, there is no room left for wanting anything sinful. Because of this total change of desires from evil to good, we are then no longer controlled or slaves to sin, but have become slaves to loving God and others.

Rom 8:9 NIV - You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Rom 6:18 NIV - You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Because we are no longer slaves to sin, but slaves to righteousness, we now have no choice but to live righteous lives. Just as before we were born again, we were slaves to sin, now after being born again we can’t help our selves but to do God’s good work he calls us to.
Rom 6:14 NIV - For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

Luke 6:43 NIV - No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.

When we are true Christians or born again, we are no longer bound to the old self/sinful nature. We are set free from the power of sin. This is the great news of the gospel. We are finally able to be free from the bondage of sin. By our willingness to be totally devoted in obedience to God by the power of His Spirit, He is then able to nail our old sinful nature to the cross.

John 8:36 NIV - So if the Son sets you free , you will be free indeed.

Rom 6:6-7 NIV - For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin - because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

Rom 6:11 NIV - In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

There are many, many more scriptures encouraging us that living a perfected life is possible in Christ. This life we are currently living on earth is the place God has setup for us to make the choice to follow Him and be sanctified to the point of Christian perfection that He requires to be worthy of His eternal kingdom.

Matt 10:38 NIV - anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

1 Thess 2:11-12 NIV - For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children, encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.

May God’s grace be with you – Michael Reid